[72] Freemason conspiracy theories have also been linked to certain antisemitic conspiracy theories. Sam/Jeremiah. Definitely what Harry said this movie was definitely laid out weird but Nick wasn’t the abuser. and often leads to mental illness and psychosis. ", "Undermining Sushant Rajput's tragic death", http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1860871_1860876_1860997,00.html, "Nigerian President Buhari denies death and body double rumours", "Why fans think Avril Lavigne died and was replaced by a clone named Melissa", "Is Donald Trump using a fake Melania? Nick kept trying to yell sam he isn’t real. One of the main indicators of autism is a lack of empathy. After that, the movie accelerates significantly. I wish I remembered the name… it’s a brother/ sister incest movie. I hope there’s people on here to talk about this movie, cause I’m dying for some discussion. Nick wants to stay, Sam wants to go, they go. His son was becoming a person he couldn’t relate to, or control. This movie freaked me out & I hated it, for the exact reason you aren’t recommending it. how can he flirt with an adult girl? In any other context I would not have liked this movie but the thought provoking, first person narrative, and bouncing about in Sam’s imagination made it a movie I would recommend. One is Sam’s cat back at home, that we only see in flashbacks, Two is the one from the woods, the one Sam’s staring at in the cabin saying that it’s a man reincarnated into a cat, Three is the one Sam follows across the road getting hit, which could be the same number Two depending on how far Sam got from home, if he reached the Farm area, Four is the kitten at the end, at the edge of the woods at the Farm. [166] Icke's critics have suggested that 'reptilians' may be seen as an antisemitic code word; a charge he has denied. CIA did (not) make AIDS? His draw to go back there was because his predator had managed to escape…so why wouldn’t he. And who are these random neighbors that Sam stayed with if they weren’t Nick? [113] Jehovah's Witnesses periodical The Watchtower frequently published excerpts from it until the 1980s. It’s Sam who connects the dots. It’s never shown, but it is definitely happening. Some sex predators/pedophiles become obsessed with their victims. So yeah, if Sam has no remorse talking this horrible way about girls, maybe the two of them have actually had a conversation about the being gay in a way or other. Sam becomes worried that Nick might leave him or – If they stay at the motel longterm like Nick wants – Sam will have even less time with Nick. Although Nick may have been gay, it’s not pertinent to the story, and sexual relations between him and Sam are never eluded to; at least in a fashion other than to control Sam. Since the September 11 Attacks, many anti-Islamic conspiracy theories have emerged, concerning a variety of topics. The Titanic's sinking was totally planned. Did I get what that would look like right? The multiple attacks made on the US by terrorists using hijacked aircraft on 11 September 2001 have proved attractive to conspiracy theorists. That all you have to do is will these thoughts into non-existence. Naturally, there are already many fan theories suggesting ways in which the multiverse can be introduced in Doctor Strange’s new “solo” adventure, and they all involve other characters. Theories of a cover-up surrounding the 1974 disappearance of Lord Lucan following the murder of his family's nanny include, for example, allegations of a suicide plot whereby his body was fed to tigers at Howletts Zoo. [90][91][92] These theories have a tyrannical worldview in common. Interesting … a fertile field (or is it barren land) divides the two choices of direction? The fact that Sam May have been in love with Nick was breeched in the movie itself makes the entire project trash. There was no sign of sexual abuse, other than Sam’s words. Sam is persuaded by Nick to kill his father. Again, did I mention that I am definitely NOT recommending this movie? It was jealously that caused him to tell the manager that his brother was a liar. Nick says outright, I was a little older than you. But the move that is most like the Strange Ones, while actually making it to the THiNC. Similar conspiracy theories allege that pharmaceutical companies assist in the creation of conditions and diseases including ADHD, HSV and HPV. Historian Christopher Andrew has lamented that a number of people have been "seduced by Golitsyn's fantasies". One theory was the subject of a … Hiding in the barn is a time when he was locked away without water, for example. Powerfully expressed. Both are preying on him. Right. Why would Nick have to jerk off in the shower if he was having a sexual relationship with Sam? ", "Flat Earth Society Says Evidence of Round Planet Part of Vast Conspiracy Theory", "Structural Inefficiency in the Early Twentieth Century: Studies in the Aluminum and Incadescent Lamp Markets", "Anatomy of a Hoax: The Philadelphia Experiment Fifty Years Later", "America's Dark Secret: The Port Chicago Disaster", "Hugo Chavez Says U.S. Hit Haiti With 'Earthquake Weapon, "Mind Games: The Tortured Lives of 'Targeted Individuals, "King Arthur was really a Russian, say Slavs", "Stunts! He owned a home and car, the lat- ", "Do they really think the earth is flat? The reason I’m talking about it today is just to solve it. Nick sees himself in Sam and wants to give him the love and the father that he never had. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1umf57. This makes me think the epilogue part is just his last thoughts, kind of mixed up visions: I’ve walked out of much simpler films and had contrasting views and think that is mystic appeal of this film. [196] This theory has persisted despite the evidence of his Hawaiian birth certificate and of contemporaneous birth announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers in 1961. I like edgy. Think about this in the real world. Sarah told Sam that her mother knew someone who had dated Nick. I disagree with the commentor who felt Nick was not having a sexual relationship with Sam. I never comment on these forums but this one was bugging me I think Sam is nick when nick stared in the cave with Sam he said said to Sam “ I stayed in here when I was you’re age I felt like I traveled in time I came out a new man” meaning nick is Sam in the future backed up by the fact nick tells same he’s taking him to where he stayed as a child and it ends up to be not far from this mysterious camp my personal thought a mind control camp growing gmo food and brainwashing kids with trauma more evidence is the fact that at the end Sam also goes to sleep in the cave and comes out a new man “nick” also The quotes repeated about memories being a choice said by nick and the camp leader is what the camp leader said to Sam before he slept in the cave and turned into nick that’s why the speech is identical maybe the sexual abuse was from the camp leader (guess) and in the con And Nick is not Sam. So Sam is not Nick. [225] This idea, and similar ideas concerning Ebola, have since been promoted by persons such as actor Steven Seagal,[226][227][228] Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and former South Africa President Thabo Mbeki. Because we cannot obviously just turn off the horrors of our past. Dimension jumping. No one else to bother them. [216], Beginning in 2017, a sprawling conspiracy theory emerged from 4chan and was spread via right-wing message boards and websites, then via Breitbart and Fox News to President Donald Trump and his allies. [300][301], Boxing has featured in conspiracy theories, such as the claims that the second Ali-Liston fight[302] and the first Bradley-Pacquiao fight were fixed. [190][191], The United States' Federal Emergency Management Agency is the subject of many theories, including the allegation that the organization has been engaged in the building of concentration camps on US soil, in advance of the imposition of martial law and genocide. It reminded me of the guys from the Leaving Neverland documentary because they too were left with very skewed ideas of what real love is and what is abuse. We get the indication that Robert beats Sam fairly regularly. The Brazil coach insisted he had the final say, but much speculation focused on sportswear company Nike, Brazil's multimillion-dollar sponsor—whom many Brazilians thought had too much control—putting pressure on the striker to play against medical advice. Home-grown hate: Gender and organized racism (2001): 75–85. Great acting from both actors and an absolute mind-bending journey. And then watching as the house burnt down? I’m leaning towards theory #1, but I’d argue that Nick didn’t try to convince Sam of killing his father, I’d also add that Sam committed suicide because he couldn’t handle the loss of Nick; evidence of that would be Sams weeping devastation in the bath after he got the news, also him rejecting his friend on the bed (who found out and said that Sam was quote “in love” with Nick!). In physics dimension jumping can be achieved through a wormhole, or a black hole supposedly. – The cave is a key visual element. [303], The theft and disappearance of the Irish-bred racehorse Shergar in 1983 has prompted many conspiracy theorists to speculate about involvement by the Mafia, the IRA and Colonel Gaddafi. [313] However, sports analyst Stephen A. Smith stated the Jaguars were not robbed, but that they had no one to blame but themselves for the loss. [106] Filmmaker Davud Imanov has accused the Armenians of plotting against Azerbaijan and has claimed that the Karabakh movement was a plot by the CIA to destroy the Soviet Union. Maybe the trailer will convince you one way or the other to watch it or not. Seeing his father dead, and knowing Nick did it, Sam was terrified to disobey anything Nick told him to do. Who killed the father ? Sam/Jeremiah killed his father, as we’re Nick became obsessed with Sam, but didn’t actually love him. So we let Sam off the hook for killing his father as an audience. But all is not right with our brothers. [160] Prominent among such theorists is Linda Moulton Howe, author of Alien Harvest (1989). Now, on a different perspective yet unexplored: Sam is Nick is Gary. [208][209] "Deep state" in the latter sense refers to an unidentified "powerful elite" who act in co-ordinated manipulation of a nation's politics and government. Lawrence Johnstone Burpee, "The Oxford Encyclopedia of Canadian History," Oxford University Press, 1926, pg 477. Eventually, the head of the camp talks to the police, and they put two and two together and realize he is the missing boy that the authorities have been looking for that has been with Nick in the woods. An estimated 17% of people globally believe the theory to be true or partly true. Sam killed his father and Nick tried to help him.Sam did have a crush on Nick however.The doctors even said there were no signs of sexual abuse.Once Sam learned that Nick had died he found a way to put blame on him for everything that had happened. View full lesson: http://ed.ted.com/lessons/the-wacky-history-of-cell-theoryScientific discovery isn't as simple as one good experiment. 2. in the epilogue (following the suicide). I agree that there are two main perspectives to this tale and it appears the film-makers’ intended to make us think all of this at once; these plot events happened to the characters we are watching. "'White Genocide': White Supremacists and the Politics of Reproduction." Too taboo really to give a pass too. Well… you missed the animals… Or, perhaps Gary was asking him if it was sore after doing all the hard labor Sam wasn’t used to. As they break down, Sam becomes more fragile. Ok? (Maybe a lot of time??) If you search online for “The Strange Ones short movie”, you will be able to find a copy of it. The way the film shows us Jeremiah’s mental state throughout. [286], Other theories include Peter Vogel's debunked claim that an accidental explosion of conventional munitions at Port Chicago was in fact a nuclear detonation,[287] and a theory promoted by the Venezuelan state-run TV station ViVe that the 2010 Haiti earthquake was caused by a secret US "earthquake weapon". [78], Conspiracy theories exist alleging that Israel uses animals to conduct espionage or to attack people. Most of the other conspiracy theories you know (faked moon landing, 9/11, JFK) are all encapsulated by QAnon. [309][310] Ronaldo "sleepwalked" through the final, with France winning the game. He has nightmares and Lord, who wouldn’t after that kind of abuse coming from everywhere. Just utter idiocy. I admire there willingness to take this challenge and make a film that can have 6 perceptions. There is no situation where the dynamic between him and Sam is not abusive. Premise: Kind of guilty conscience. [182][183] Harassment of the bereaved families by conspiracy theorists has resulted in actions for defamation. road. But again… the cave. What is the true nature of Sam and Nick’s relationship ? I may have to rewatch this movie with all these new theories! It's hard to see what his motivation would be, however, if he's a demon attempting to help kids at Grace Field House escape. Nick and Sam are allowed to stay indefinitely by Kelly, but Sam sabotages them by telling Kelly that Nick is horrible, and that he might rape her… that he actually is gay. The night before Sam’s filthy morning banter with Kelly, Nick left the room for what appears to be at least a few hours. This one surprised me. The Farm camp counselor tells him that if he wills it strong enough, he can make it stop. One scene shows Nick washing his face in a men’s room, and a man carrying a boy (Sam?) So they get twisted. He even drew those drawings of the cave/portal. At the end of the movie we see Sam actually killing Nick (Robert and Nick converge into the same person here ). So here’s my question…why is no one considering the possibility that Robert was sexually abusing his son? Sam (kid), Robert (dad), Nick (neighbor). But what’s even more shocking to me than the two leads love for each other, is that people are still leaving comments about it on here, how hilarious and awesome! -The Cave Nick actually portrayed a protective surrogate father, with whome Sam fell “in love”! It is really Gary telling him this and Sam attributes it to Nick as they run away. Alex Pettyfer has LONG been seen in film as a “perfect” object. We must have missed the memo regarding that last one. Which led to Nick slapping him in frustration because he was helping him but Sam was acting out. Now, cats can be a reference to Schrodinger’s cat and parallel universes, but the way Sam talks about cat n. Two suggests something different. Not because of the details of what he was saying, but why he was saying it. These all suggest that Nick had a character and physical presence apart from Sam. You see In Sam’s mind, Robert was the cruel abusive father but Nick was the caretaker alter-version of his Dad whom every child yearns for in a parent. [77] In another example, in November 2017, the Islamist newspaper Yeni Akit claimed that the fashion trend of "ripped denim" jeans was in fact a means of communication, via specific forms of rips and holes, between agents of foreign states and their collaborators in Turkey. Here are five tentpole beliefs that prop up this wild conspiracy theory. He is wearing the same hoodie, brown shorts and brown shoes in the following scenes: 1. in all his flashbacks to the night of his dad’s death Camp = heaven/enlightenment). ter which Sam would unlikely have The coffee cup bugged the heck out of me because it happened once early on setting a possible false tone about this movie… or maybe not false? The conspiracy often implicates NASA. [155][156] The theory asserts that the decline of low-income black residents and their replacement by wealthier whites from outside of the city is intentional through the calculated use of gentrification and urban renewal. Because there are nuances here that are left up to our assumptions and opinions about what exactly happened. This is what generates the bond between them. And Sam understands that the killing will link him even closer to Nick and satisfy Nick’s need to rectify his own childhood. It wouldn’t really matter if he had been sexual with him if Nick wasn’t a person separate from himself. I’d defend myself. Lynchings and racial discrimination were formally described as genocide by the Civil Rights Congress in 1951. But perhaps an older teen, say 17 or 18. The acting by Alex Pettyfer was mysterious and nerve-wracking. Nick killed Robert, because he was abusing his son?…thus didn’t care for him. -Sam killed his father who had been regularly beating him, after that there is this scene where he’s in his room watching Nick’s house from his window, petting his cat, so he goes down to Nick’s house, where Nick is having a shower. Does Nick even really die? Then called Nick for help who took him away so that he wouldn’t get in trouble. We are made to feel there must have also been a person who represented Nick in Sam’s life and Nick is likely Sam as a grown up… Reminds me a bit of David Lynch’s, “Mulholland Drive”, plot events happened, they were also twisted in memory to the main character’s view, ultimately, that character is the one who is entering their own abyss. So the entirety of the movie is about unraveling these two guys out. Yes, but not literally. None of you have mentioned it. The perpetrators of this conspiracy are alleged to be non-Muslims and "false Muslims", allegedly in collusion with political actors in the Western world. Nothing seems to fit… or work. Or was it to have Sam for himself, to use or sell sexually? As said by someone else, we cannot fully trust Sam’s view of the world. But there is one more detail still swinging in the breeze. Rush Limbaugh also stated that the event happened because the Mayan Calendar phenomenon made shooter Adam Lanza do it. Despite the beatings, it was being separated from Nick that pushed him over the edge. The relationship between Sam and Nick is consensual. This detail and also, that when they hear noises sam’s quick to duck down, seemingly expecting the incoming shots, represent the passage that puzzles me the most. Not abusive and it might even be Sam who pursued the sexual relationship with Nick. The New Yorker found that reporting of the conspiracy in the right wing media was initiated by Peter Schweizer, a former Breitbart News contributor and president of The Government Accountability Institute, "a self-styled corruption watchdog group chaired and funded by conservative mega-donor Rebekah Mercer"[217] and founded by Steve Bannon.[218]. [297] The notion received renewed attention during the period prior to the solar eclipse of 21 August 2017. It seems the above comments by females often do not grasp the same depth and perceived innuendo as do males who observe this movie. Which brings us to free will and determinism…. Now, in fairness to the theory -- one can imagine all kinds of cosmetic surgery going on in the Star Wars universe, something that Snoke could very … It doesn’t really make sense for Nick and Sam to be the same. 2. The elderly Pope Benedict XVI's resignation in February 2013, for given reasons of a "lack of strength of mind and body",[125] prompted theories in Italian publications such as La Repubblica and Panorama that he resigned in order to avoid an alleged scandal involving an underground gay Catholic network. Why does he come back to the farm after being hit by a car ? He is an invention in Sam’s mind of the nurturer that he wished his father could be. All else is fantasy constructed by Sam around those camp experiences which accounts for the lack of linearity of the film. I agree, the directors and screenplay appear to convey all of the above are taking place within the film. [316], For the non-related topic of a political conspiracy, see, Jeffrey Epstein death conspiracy theories. Maybe it was a place owned by a friend, family, or other acquaintance…or even rented by his father long ago. You need to look deeper. Sorry,Amanda. [153] They believe that Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia did not die in 1975, instead believing that the allegedly racist media propagated false reports of his death in order to quash the Rastafari movement. Did I have a stroke and miss a few minutes? But Nick didn’t necessarily gain Sam’s trust; rather made Sam afraid to tell others what was happening. I do think there was a codependent relationship between Sam and Nick, but not necessarily a sexual one. Replies to my comments Is he dead ? What is the true nature of Sam and Nick’s relationship ? March 4, 2021 at 5:58 pm One of the brothers who was sexually abused believed he was in-love with the abuser Conspiracy theories usually deny consensus or cannot be proven using the historical or scientific method and are not to be confused with research concerning verified conspiracies such as Germany's pretense for invading Poland in World War II. [198][199][200] Other theories claim that Obama, a Protestant Christian, is secretly a Muslim. Firstly, the direction, performances and editing were moving, incredibly well-done. But here? So I just watched the 2011 short (thanks to the person who put the link above), and in the short it seems more clear (at the end) that the man is the abuser. Almost exact except for some dramatic additions. [206], While the term is occasionally used as a neutral term to denote a nation's bureaucracy,[207] the conspiratorial notion of a "deep state" is a concept originating principally in Middle Eastern and North African politics with some basis in truth, and has been known in the US since the 1960s. I think he’s in love with Nick (Jealous of the girl, devastated when he dies) even if I think he’s treated like an imaginary friend. Now, about the ending, I’ve watched frame by frame the shot where Sam gets hit by the car, and it’s apparent that indeed it’s totally plausible he got away with it with just a broken arm. Who killed the father ? Or did the editor put a small bit in the wrong spot? Her calling the cops is, what I believe, led them to the area. [308] Ronaldo was initially removed from the starting lineup 72 minutes before the match, with the teamsheet released to a stunned world media, before he was reinstated by the Brazil coach shortly before kick off. It was directed by Jack Garfein, produced by Sam Spiegel, and was adapted from a novel and stage play by Calder Willingham called End as a Man. Evidence exists, however, that the KGB deliberately disseminated a notion in the 1980s that it was invented by the CIA. [140][141][142][143][144][145] A 2017 study in France by IFOP, for example, found that 48% of participants believed without evidence that political and media elites are conspiring to replace white people with immigrants. Instead of telling you what happened, maybe there are several possibilities. He was in fact abusing the boy. Fomenko holds that history is many centuries shorter than is widely believed and that numerous historical documents have been fabricated, and legitimate documents destroyed, for political ends. Where people are generally sane. Briana, I think hit on it closest. So at this point, by discussing the beginning (which the movie is the end) we have 90% of the answers that most of you were struggling with. Nick doesn’t actually exist in reality. something she’d have imagined Sam, is obviously not a free agent in this movie. Proponents of the Intense World Theory say that autistic children don’t turn away from the world because they don’t care—they do it because they are hypersensitive and have trouble coping with the flood of information. [310] The nature of the incident set off a trail of questions and allegations which persisted for years, with Alex Bellos writing in The Guardian, "When Ronaldo's health scare was revealed after the match, the situation's unique circumstances lent itself to fabulous conspiracy theories. Point three is when Nick told Sam to put his shirt on and then had to relieve himself in the shower. The cave is a portal. I just don’t like to be bludgeoned into a stupor with it. There may be indications that Sam broke and revealed the truth about who killed his father. The trauma of physical abuse predisposed to Sam to a psycho sexualization of the father figure. Many conspiracy theories relate to clandestine government plans and elaborate murder plots. ‘Sensitive’ mothers are responsive to the child's needs and respond to their moods and feelings correctly. Sam tells his friend that the touching went both ways but all she asked was “Did he…?” Again, no evidence it was Nick. He setup this utopian idea in Sam’s head of the cabin and the woods. And it is during his running that we get the flashbacks of Nick telling Sam to defend himself, and to not put up with his father’s abuse. Point one was during the examination, the doctor clearly states that it is hard to tell with boys. And he has to make a choice: repent/forgive himself/and choose a path of light/speak/open up/admit/take responsibility with the camp leader and release himself from his nightmares/be Jeremiah (biblical names being used here at the camp-possibly an Eden reference) OR remain the tortured Sam/killed his father and is tormented and now left alone that he’s lost Nick and eventually chooses to follow the black cat and go into the pit — the literal black cave. BTW I believe this movie was loosely based or at least heavily inspired by a case here in my home state of Florida from back in 2001. …So he only imagines telling he killed his dad. Some claimed that the virus was engineered,[232][233][234] that it escaped or was stolen from a research laboratory,[235][236][237][238] that it may have been a Chinese or United States bioweapon,[239][240][241] a Jewish plot including to force mass vaccinations or sterilizations,[242][243][244] spread as part of a Muslim conspiracy,[245][246] a population control scheme,[231][247] or related to 5G mobile phone networks. Kinda agree with Chris up to the point of Sam in the lake. There is however a deep and abiding love and protectiveness on the part of Nick towards Sam. Sam was so screwed up, he caused Nick to be killed. This is a result of his counseling sessions with Gary; (4) while driving with Nick (a fantasy), Sam tries to explain that he is having visions, not dreams and I believe this is actually being revealed to Gary in one of their sessions; (5) the visit to the cave and being killed by a car is Sam’s way of finally controlling his thoughts and the last steps in his counseling which means he has recovered. Well for a film most say they did not like it sure spurred some deep thought evidently… Well the basis of the story may come from a real life story I think the film makers are saying everything is open to one’s perception…interpretations… While its impossible to recommend as most would be dazed and confused and think they have had a stroke and missed the plot….
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